never ever never knit mad!!! you're fast, but you don't think you know? i have to rip out the back of rogue to the armholes...i "finished" the back this morning. i hav eto go back. you know when a pattern says decrease every other row, you're supposed to do it every other row, not evry row, so the back is 8 or 9 rows short. damnit. i hate it when i screw up!